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Post by Napolean on Feb 10, 2012 12:40:12 GMT -5
I have a rule I abid by, I don't comment on players who are still up.
Please feel free to chime in so everybody knows the rules of engagement going forward.
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Post by thehappyhollidays on Feb 10, 2012 12:48:12 GMT -5
I agree 100%
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2012 12:52:05 GMT -5
I'm fine, either way. Whatever everyone wants is cool with me.
I've been in live drafts where everyone is silent, and others where owners use comments as part of their strat.
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Post by Napolean on Feb 10, 2012 12:54:39 GMT -5
I hear what your saying, hence a need for clarification.
Thanks for the reasonable response.
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Post by sadindians on Feb 10, 2012 13:11:52 GMT -5
Trash talk/table talk is usually part of a draft. As long as their isn't collusion, like let me have this guy and I won't bid you up on your guy kinds of things, then I don't see a problem with it.
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Post by Napolean on Feb 10, 2012 13:17:31 GMT -5
More opinions please? For me, trash talk is fine, talking about a player that someone jjust overpaid for is alway good for some ribbing. But to say a player should go for more money when he is still up, is inappropiate.
But like I said, I'm looking for clarification. Then I can and will do the same to others.
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Post by CJ n BR on Feb 10, 2012 13:46:14 GMT -5
don't believe their is a steadfast rule, but i would have to agree with napolean. if a player is on the board for auction prices should not be discussed. once a player goes off the board however feel free to talk all the smack you can. remember it is all in good fun and if you talk the talk you better be able to walk the walk.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2012 15:47:34 GMT -5
Agree with napoleon as well. It's ok to make fun of larryb after he paid 36 for Brett lawrie
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2012 16:18:02 GMT -5
Lol... Although it wouldn't surprise me if he outperformed longoria this year.
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Post by Seattle Steelheads on Feb 10, 2012 16:34:51 GMT -5
Agree with napoleon as well. It's ok to make fun of larryb after he paid 36 for Brett lawrie My logic there, longoria went for 39a and I think Lawrie will outperform longo. 3b is shit, I have my 3b for at least 2 years. Big risk, but that is how I roll. Please make fun of my OF for the next 2 years! ;D |
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Post by Seattle Steelheads on Feb 10, 2012 16:43:34 GMT -5
Agree with napoleon as well. It's ok to make fun of larryb after he paid 36 for Brett lawrie And you paid $52 for a fat guy who will never be eligible for 3b. Pot, Kettle, Black... Gloves....are.....offf......  |
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Post by Pancake Titans on Feb 10, 2012 16:46:36 GMT -5
sorry larry, have to wade in here - with the tigers infield options (inge and raburn) - miggy will definitely get 3B eligibility by end of May
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Post by Seattle Steelheads on Feb 10, 2012 16:58:49 GMT -5
He cannot play 3b period, he will be horrible. 5 games at 3b, 5 losses, that bad. What about moving Peralta to 3b?
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Post by sadindians on Feb 10, 2012 17:03:45 GMT -5
And Prince at SS? I like it!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2012 17:16:16 GMT -5
Larry, let's put a little cash on whether or not he gains 3B eligibility.
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Post by Seattle Steelheads on Feb 10, 2012 17:27:23 GMT -5
Just as long as he waits until September to gain eligibility at 3b and screws you up, I am good. You cannot hold Cabrera or Votto for next year. Just remember Leyland is not playing Fantasy baseball as manager and would rather have Inge or Raburn at 3b for their glove and leave tubby at DH
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Post by Napolean on Feb 10, 2012 19:31:04 GMT -5
I've said my peace. But be warned, anybody talking about my guys will get a recipitory post. It will be a compelling argument as to why there guy should be bid up, backed up with an overwheming amount of data.  Happy bidding all!!!! |
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Post by South Paws on Feb 11, 2012 1:16:05 GMT -5
Larryb, you seriously think Lawrie will outperform Longo? Wow. Well, I'm very pleased with the price I got Longo. Lawrie's going to have a tough year. First time his swing will be broken down to find his weaknesses and exploit them. Lawrie will need to make serious adjustments quickly for him to provide you anywhere near the value you paid. In my opinion, as we get closer and closer to the start of the season, Lawrie seems destined to be the most overvalued player.
It's unfortunate too because I like Lawrie and been following him as a minor league player in the Brewers system for some time. I have him on a dynasty team and have been waiting for a few years for him to hit the majors and now I'm thinking I'm crazy if I don't try to trade him because I think this could be the highest value he'll have for at least a few years. Just look at players such as Delmon Young, Alex Gordon, and Jason Heyward. It would have been smart to trade them before their second year when they had their highest value.
Anyway, it will be very interesting to see what kind of year Lawrie has.
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Post by CJ n BR on Feb 11, 2012 10:13:25 GMT -5
I just saw what Napolean was talking about . That is unacceptable . I should surf the chat more but I'm busy . Wish I would have seen it earlier . Talking about players on the board is a no no.
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Post by CJ n BR on Feb 11, 2012 10:15:26 GMT -5
That was George btw . Scott has smarter responses
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Post by Seattle Steelheads on Feb 11, 2012 11:11:53 GMT -5
Larryb, you seriously think Lawrie will outperform Longo? Wow. Well, I'm very pleased with the price I got Longo. Lawrie's going to have a tough year. First time his swing will be broken down to find his weaknesses and exploit them. Lawrie will need to make serious adjustments quickly for him to provide you anywhere near the value you paid. In my opinion, as we get closer and closer to the start of the season, Lawrie seems destined to be the most overvalued player. It's unfortunate too because I like Lawrie and been following him as a minor league player in the Brewers system for some time. I have him on a dynasty team and have been waiting for a few years for him to hit the majors and now I'm thinking I'm crazy if I don't try to trade him because I think this could be the highest value he'll have for at least a few years. Just look at players such as Delmon Young, Alex Gordon, and Jason Heyward. It would have been smart to trade them before their second year when they had their highest value. Anyway, it will be very interesting to see what kind of year Lawrie has. Yes, I do think Lawrie will outperform Long. He has equal power, will swipe 20 bases, hit for a higher average (not hard considering Longo's batting average trend) and is hitting in front of Jose Bautista in a great hitters park. Did I also mention that you paid $39 for Longo? Not real happy for what I paid for Lawrie, but he is who I wanted and Ducati knew it and upped the bid  |
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Post by Seattle Steelheads on Feb 11, 2012 11:17:31 GMT -5
Can we move on? The only time that another player was mentioned as undervalued was Nelson Cruz by Ducati. He was right, he and I were having a conversation that should have been in private message. Napollean should be happy he did not get Cruz at 15 or 22 with the guy's hamstring waiting to explode at a moment's notice. I will not talk about undervalued players during the draft, nor will Ducati. Point understood. And I will not talk about Lamp paying $103 dollars for Votto and Tubby |
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Post by Charleston Mudhens on Feb 11, 2012 11:28:12 GMT -5
I just read that Tubby has lost 20-25 lbs...he must really want 3b over DH.
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Post by Seattle Steelheads on Feb 11, 2012 11:45:19 GMT -5
Did you really read that? He has lost 25lbs? Wow, I will see it when I believe it. The guy is an active alcoholic and doesn't look like he exercises. Wow, kudos to him if he did.
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Post by Charleston Mudhens on Feb 11, 2012 11:47:06 GMT -5
That is what CBS is reporting, though it is hard to tell fact from fiction in the offseason.
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Post by South Paws on Feb 11, 2012 11:58:34 GMT -5
Larryb, you seriously think Lawrie will outperform Longo? Wow. Well, I'm very pleased with the price I got Longo. Lawrie's going to have a tough year. First time his swing will be broken down to find his weaknesses and exploit them. Lawrie will need to make serious adjustments quickly for him to provide you anywhere near the value you paid. In my opinion, as we get closer and closer to the start of the season, Lawrie seems destined to be the most overvalued player. It's unfortunate too because I like Lawrie and been following him as a minor league player in the Brewers system for some time. I have him on a dynasty team and have been waiting for a few years for him to hit the majors and now I'm thinking I'm crazy if I don't try to trade him because I think this could be the highest value he'll have for at least a few years. Just look at players such as Delmon Young, Alex Gordon, and Jason Heyward. It would have been smart to trade them before their second year when they had their highest value. Anyway, it will be very interesting to see what kind of year Lawrie has. Yes, I do think Lawrie will outperform Long. He has equal power, will swipe 20 bases, hit for a higher average (not hard considering Longo's batting average trend) and is hitting in front of Jose Bautista in a great hitters park. Did I also mention that you paid $39 for Longo? Not real happy for what I paid for Lawrie, but he is who I wanted and Ducati knew it and upped the bid Elite power? Lawrie had 8 HRs in 2010 and 13 in 2009. He may eventually turn into an elite power hitting 3b, but that's going to take time. And unless he's one of those exceptional players, he's going to have his struggles this year. In my opinion, he's unquestionably being overvalued this year (bet next year he won't go for more than $20) Longo will have much more value than Lawrie this year and for the next 3 years. Maybe when Lawrie has a few years under his belt he'll finally compare to Longo. |
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Post by thehappyhollidays on Feb 11, 2012 12:18:41 GMT -5
This sounds like a perfect conversation to move to the owner side wager thread. Who is higher on the player rater for 2012 - Longo or Lawrie? I'll take Longo for $20 - who is in??
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2012 12:50:49 GMT -5
Yes, I do think Lawrie will outperform Long. He has equal power, will swipe 20 bases, hit for a higher average (not hard considering Longo's batting average trend) and is hitting in front of Jose Bautista in a great hitters park. Did I also mention that you paid $39 for Longo? Not real happy for what I paid for Lawrie, but he is who I wanted and Ducati knew it and upped the bid Elite power? Lawrie had 8 HRs in 2010 and 13 in 2009. He may eventually turn into an elite power hitting 3b, but that's going to take time. And unless he's one of those exceptional players, he's going to have his struggles this year. In my opinion, he's unquestionably being overvalued this year (bet next year he won't go for more than $20) Longo will have much more value than Lawrie this year and for the next 3 years. Maybe when Lawrie has a few years under his belt he'll finally compare to Longo. Yes, the has shown elite power. Why no mention of his 18 HR's in 73 games last season? Yeah, it's the PCL, but then he came up to the majors and hit 9 HR's in 150 AB's, showing that his season in the minors wasn't a fluke. That kind of power is indeed elite for the position. Furthermore, he hit 8 HR's and 13 HR's (with decent AVG., OBP, etc.) when he was 19 and 20 years old, respectively. That's actually pretty impressive. Lawrie has the tools to hit .280 with at least 20 HR's and maybe 20 SB's. Being in a hitter's park with a stacked lineup helps tremendously, while Longoria has a weak lineup and fairly neutral park. If Lawrie produces near what he did in his major league stint last year, he will easily provide value very close to Longoria. I'm a big fan of Lawrie, but he was just too pricey for me to go after him in the first year of his league. While I think he's going to be valuable, drafting him over 30 bucks makes your margin for error really thin. He'll have to avoid injuries or any major struggles to provide great keeper value in his first few years. His owner is basically expecting him to produce as a first or second rounder immediately to justify his $40+ salary within 2 or 3 years. Frankly, I think he can do it. My only concern with him is that he plays the game so hard - which isn't a bad thing in and of itself of course. I just could see him getting hurt going all out, like guys like Hamilton, Morneau, and Carlos Gonzalez have done over the past couple years. It will be interesting to see how he does, that's for sure. |
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